1 00:00:36,259 --> 00:00:35,390 this is Whitley Strieber and this is 2 00:00:42,790 --> 00:00:36,269 dreamland 3 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:42,800 you've reached the edge of the world a 4 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:45,180 very brief poem and then we're going to 5 00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:48,290 talk to someone who is quite wonderful 6 00:00:55,369 --> 00:00:50,910 about someone who was also quite 7 00:00:59,509 --> 00:00:55,379 wonderful don't you wonder sometimes 8 00:01:02,450 --> 00:00:59,519 after dark stars bliss enlike ice and 9 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:02,460 the distance they span hides something 10 00:01:10,430 --> 00:01:07,050 elemental not God exactly more like some 11 00:01:13,790 --> 00:01:10,440 thin hipped glittering Bowie being a 12 00:01:19,690 --> 00:01:13,800 star man or cosmic ace 13 00:01:22,609 --> 00:01:19,700 hovering swaying aching to make a sea 14 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:22,619 we're talking about David boy today and 15 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:25,860 we're doing that with a legendary figure 16 00:01:33,260 --> 00:01:29,700 Timothy Beckley you want to find out 17 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:33,270 just how legendary Tim is go to 18 00:01:44,419 --> 00:01:38,840 amazon.com and just search on his name 19 00:01:47,180 --> 00:01:44,429 you will find there the odd book in fact 20 00:01:50,150 --> 00:01:47,190 about 200 odd books am i right Timothy 21 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:50,160 yeah that's about correct now don't 22 00:01:54,380 --> 00:01:51,810 think that I wrote all of them but I 23 00:01:57,410 --> 00:01:54,390 co-authored them wrote some of them and 24 00:01:59,059 --> 00:01:57,420 M editor-in-chief because I have my own 25 00:02:01,369 --> 00:01:59,069 little publishing company that's been 26 00:02:04,279 --> 00:02:01,379 going on since the 1970s inner light 27 00:02:08,059 --> 00:02:04,289 global communications right and you also 28 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:08,069 have a youtube channel called mr. ufos 29 00:02:14,809 --> 00:02:12,000 secret files indeed we have over 70 30 00:02:17,449 --> 00:02:14,819 videos and audios you know I do a weekly 31 00:02:20,809 --> 00:02:17,459 a podcast myself these days it's 32 00:02:23,089 --> 00:02:20,819 exploring the bizarre and we've had some 33 00:02:26,330 --> 00:02:23,099 very exciting guest shows I mean we've 34 00:02:28,370 --> 00:02:26,340 had many well-known individuals you know 35 00:02:30,530 --> 00:02:28,380 ufologist and paranormal researchers 36 00:02:32,330 --> 00:02:30,540 just like you have had but we also go 37 00:02:34,850 --> 00:02:32,340 for the person 38 00:02:36,619 --> 00:02:34,860 who may not have that much exposure but 39 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:36,629 who has something very interesting and 40 00:02:42,619 --> 00:02:40,260 exciting to say and you know Whitley 41 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:42,629 before we start our conversation I just 42 00:02:47,140 --> 00:02:44,610 want to jog your memory a little do you 43 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:47,150 know the last time that we actually 44 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:49,170 spoke in person 45 00:02:55,940 --> 00:02:53,489 I do not okay well it was at Barnes & 46 00:02:58,009 --> 00:02:55,950 Noble and your friend that let me get 47 00:03:01,610 --> 00:02:58,019 his name right was it Timothy Greenfield 48 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:01,620 Sandri of Saunders was fair that and you 49 00:03:06,979 --> 00:03:04,260 were seated next to Lou Reed that's 50 00:03:09,259 --> 00:03:06,989 right yeah okay man I'm blue and Timothy 51 00:03:12,259 --> 00:03:09,269 and I were friends that's right and I 52 00:03:14,930 --> 00:03:12,269 was in the audience and I got up and I 53 00:03:18,380 --> 00:03:14,940 asked Lou Reed a question I said Lou 54 00:03:22,130 --> 00:03:18,390 have you ever had a UFO sighting or have 55 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:22,140 you ever been abducted and in true Lou 56 00:03:26,569 --> 00:03:24,239 Reed fish and he kind of mumbled under 57 00:03:29,930 --> 00:03:26,579 his breath no I haven't but maybe I will 58 00:03:31,819 --> 00:03:29,940 on the way home tonight yeah well he was 59 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:31,829 really interested in the subject yes so 60 00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:34,769 interesting that I've that dinner more 61 00:03:41,090 --> 00:03:38,700 than once I said to him I think maybe 62 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:41,100 you have had experiences that you don't 63 00:03:46,309 --> 00:03:44,190 consciously remember mm-hmm and that 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:46,319 that could well be the the case but of 65 00:03:51,860 --> 00:03:47,970 course he was another rock and roll 66 00:03:55,309 --> 00:03:51,870 legend that has left us yeah recently 67 00:03:56,870 --> 00:03:55,319 yeah we we seem to be losing them pretty 68 00:03:59,390 --> 00:03:56,880 rapidly now which is very unfortunate 69 00:04:01,580 --> 00:03:59,400 because you know it's like my doctor 70 00:04:03,170 --> 00:04:01,590 says he says in my practice I have a 71 00:04:07,430 --> 00:04:03,180 hundred percent death rate I want to 72 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:07,440 warn you oh god yeah what we do I mean 73 00:04:13,909 --> 00:04:10,769 yeah we're gonna and yeah they were I 74 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:13,919 mean they were it was a fabulous time al 75 00:04:20,690 --> 00:04:16,289 wonderful these were people with magic 76 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:20,700 in them and David Bowie was was the most 77 00:04:27,950 --> 00:04:24,690 magical of all the magicians I will 78 00:04:29,930 --> 00:04:27,960 never forget when they called me and 79 00:04:36,409 --> 00:04:29,940 told me he was going to be in The Hunger 80 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:36,419 oh yes and I thought my word he's he can 81 00:04:42,649 --> 00:04:39,930 he act and oh yes he could act he was 82 00:04:45,670 --> 00:04:42,659 brilliant in that movie that and the 83 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:45,680 manda fell to earth where his two 84 00:04:52,170 --> 00:04:48,650 great movies but you know I know 85 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:52,180 something else about him and 86 00:05:01,200 --> 00:04:58,490 unfortunately I am committed to secrecy 87 00:05:04,540 --> 00:05:01,210 but that doesn't mean I can't talk to 88 00:05:06,550 --> 00:05:04,550 other people who know about it oh my 89 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:06,560 goodness yes and aren't committed to 90 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:08,930 keeping their mouth shut correct and 91 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:11,570 that's why you're here mm-hmm 92 00:05:17,290 --> 00:05:13,970 well you know David Bowie did mention me 93 00:05:20,170 --> 00:05:17,300 in his biography that came out maybe 94 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:20,180 about four or five years ago and we had 95 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:23,530 some communications back in the early 96 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:27,440 1970s that period of time was very very 97 00:05:33,730 --> 00:05:31,400 busy for me Whitley in fact every period 98 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:33,740 of time has been very busy because I am 99 00:05:39,189 --> 00:05:37,370 the king of all unpaid media and I was 100 00:05:42,159 --> 00:05:39,199 busy doing I was busy doing a lot of 101 00:05:46,510 --> 00:05:42,169 things I was promoting a lot of the 102 00:05:49,390 --> 00:05:46,520 local rock bands in New York City it was 103 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:49,400 just at the start of the glitter or the 104 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:53,449 glam rock era we had bands like teenage 105 00:06:00,250 --> 00:05:57,770 lust the magic tramps and of course the 106 00:06:03,399 --> 00:06:00,260 New York Dolls the bass player in the 107 00:06:05,170 --> 00:06:03,409 New York Dolls was Arthur Kane who 108 00:06:07,990 --> 00:06:05,180 became a fairly good friend of mine in 109 00:06:11,890 --> 00:06:08,000 fact I'm still in touch with his wife 110 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:11,900 Barbara and he used to come to our UFO 111 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:13,610 conferences when we had them in San 112 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:16,130 Diego and Phoenix and I would talk to 113 00:06:20,140 --> 00:06:18,409 him a couple of times a year and I was 114 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:20,150 always very excited you know because 115 00:06:25,990 --> 00:06:23,330 here I would go to see the dolls perform 116 00:06:28,420 --> 00:06:26,000 and be in the first or second row and 117 00:06:30,969 --> 00:06:28,430 then finally when I started doing shows 118 00:06:33,790 --> 00:06:30,979 he was in the first or second row and he 119 00:06:37,210 --> 00:06:33,800 was a charming you know individual and 120 00:06:39,999 --> 00:06:37,220 of course the band got back together the 121 00:06:42,999 --> 00:06:40,009 Dallas got back together after many many 122 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:43,009 years and he had invited me backstage 123 00:06:47,020 --> 00:06:44,810 they were going to perform at Randall's 124 00:06:49,570 --> 00:06:47,030 Island in New York City and he passed 125 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:49,580 away on my birthday July 13th and I 126 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:53,210 never got to see him again but the the 127 00:06:57,100 --> 00:06:55,610 early 70s was a busy time in addition to 128 00:06:59,380 --> 00:06:57,110 promoting the rock-and-roll bands 129 00:07:01,810 --> 00:06:59,390 I was also publishing the 130 00:07:04,660 --> 00:07:01,820 UFO review which was the world's only 131 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:04,670 flying saucer newspaper and you know in 132 00:07:10,150 --> 00:07:06,770 those days it was self distributed but 133 00:07:12,430 --> 00:07:10,160 we would print nearly 30,000 copies for 134 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:12,440 your film application that's not bad 135 00:07:16,750 --> 00:07:14,660 with which we had one today that would 136 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:16,760 that was published you know in the 137 00:07:19,450 --> 00:07:18,230 English language and actually printed 138 00:07:22,450 --> 00:07:19,460 although we are thinking about starting 139 00:07:25,180 --> 00:07:22,460 up the review again I was also a 140 00:07:27,910 --> 00:07:25,190 stringer for many of the tabloids like 141 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:27,920 The Inquirer the star in the globe so I 142 00:07:33,340 --> 00:07:30,650 got to meet a lot of the celebrities but 143 00:07:36,190 --> 00:07:33,350 perhaps most importantly of all I was 144 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:36,200 the chairman of the board the CEO and I 145 00:07:42,220 --> 00:07:39,410 say that kind of jokingly of the New 146 00:07:45,190 --> 00:07:42,230 York school of occult Arts and Sciences 147 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:45,200 it was one of the first metaphysical 148 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:48,050 centers in the the United States and 149 00:07:51,820 --> 00:07:50,090 they started to grow like you know on 150 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:51,830 mushrooms wild mushrooms all over the 151 00:07:56,650 --> 00:07:53,450 country there was a metaphysical center 152 00:07:59,640 --> 00:07:56,660 in bookstore in almost every place and I 153 00:08:02,890 --> 00:07:59,650 had some of the most outspoken 154 00:08:04,780 --> 00:08:02,900 presenters on the paranormal of that ear 155 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:04,790 like Cleve Backster who of course did 156 00:08:10,870 --> 00:08:07,010 the experiments with the plants having 157 00:08:12,910 --> 00:08:10,880 feelings dr. Stanley a critter who was 158 00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:12,920 doing running the dream laboratory of 159 00:08:17,650 --> 00:08:15,740 Maimonides Hospital and then we had 160 00:08:19,090 --> 00:08:17,660 other individuals who would come in and 161 00:08:21,130 --> 00:08:19,100 give lectures we had almost something 162 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:21,140 going on almost every night lectures 163 00:08:29,230 --> 00:08:26,090 workshops seances you name it one of the 164 00:08:31,150 --> 00:08:29,240 individuals who came and spoke to our 165 00:08:35,350 --> 00:08:31,160 group on a regular basis was a very 166 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:35,360 attractive very charismatic lady by the 167 00:08:40,270 --> 00:08:37,130 name of Wally elm lark 168 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:40,280 Wally he'll mark has since passed away 169 00:08:48,850 --> 00:08:45,530 but she was a speckled individual full 170 00:08:51,580 --> 00:08:48,860 of glitter and glamour and wore wore all 171 00:08:53,470 --> 00:08:51,590 kinds of silver silver jewelry and had 172 00:08:55,690 --> 00:08:53,480 long black hair with a green streak in 173 00:08:59,500 --> 00:08:55,700 it she was very charming very attractive 174 00:09:02,470 --> 00:08:59,510 and very much into the occult now Wally 175 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:02,480 also wrote a column for a magazine 176 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:07,910 called circus circus was the heavy metal 177 00:09:11,530 --> 00:09:09,560 now when I use the term heavy metal I 178 00:09:12,460 --> 00:09:11,540 don't mean like the heavy metal today 179 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:12,470 like a ROG 180 00:09:16,990 --> 00:09:14,330 fans sounds and stuff like that we're 181 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:17,000 talking about Led Zeppelin Alice Cooper 182 00:09:20,770 --> 00:09:19,040 Judas Priest that was heavy metal in 183 00:09:22,420 --> 00:09:20,780 those days you know I mean you could 184 00:09:25,990 --> 00:09:22,430 still listen to it without putting 185 00:09:27,730 --> 00:09:26,000 earplugs it yeah right and and so she 186 00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:27,740 knew everybody because again she was 187 00:09:33,010 --> 00:09:30,320 charming and charismatic and a lot of 188 00:09:34,630 --> 00:09:33,020 these fans were just starting to break 189 00:09:37,330 --> 00:09:34,640 out and they wanted to get into her 190 00:09:40,990 --> 00:09:37,340 column and be exposed and Circus 191 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:41,000 magazine so she met David Bowie on his 192 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:43,910 first tour when he came to the United 193 00:09:49,930 --> 00:09:46,130 States for the first time as Ziggy 194 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:49,940 Stardust they had a press conference at 195 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:53,510 the RCA RCA Building in New York he was 196 00:09:58,810 --> 00:09:55,910 on RCA Records and she introduced me to 197 00:10:01,930 --> 00:09:58,820 to David Bowie for the first time we had 198 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:01,940 a minor conversation he told me he 199 00:10:09,010 --> 00:10:06,050 enjoyed science fiction and I found out 200 00:10:12,010 --> 00:10:09,020 later on that actually as a teenager he 201 00:10:14,260 --> 00:10:12,020 was an associate editor of a UFO 202 00:10:17,230 --> 00:10:14,270 newsletter that was published in England 203 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:17,240 and he's interesting yes yes he knows 204 00:10:22,780 --> 00:10:20,450 wait we've got to take a brief break for 205 00:10:25,380 --> 00:10:22,790 our free subscribers our free listeners 206 00:10:28,930 --> 00:10:25,390 and then we'll be right back 207 00:10:32,650 --> 00:10:28,940 supernatural is coming a new vision of 208 00:10:36,910 --> 00:10:32,660 the unexplained by me and my colleague 209 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:36,920 Jeff [\h__\h] it takes a completely new 210 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:40,370 look at what is arguably one of the most 211 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:44,090 ancient and most important experiences 212 00:10:50,530 --> 00:10:47,690 mankind has ever had we now call it the 213 00:10:54,130 --> 00:10:50,540 close encounter experience but we're 214 00:10:58,510 --> 00:10:54,140 right on the edge of finding out 215 00:11:05,920 --> 00:10:58,520 something truly new about it and about 216 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:05,930 us we have the tools read super natural 217 00:11:15,070 --> 00:11:10,910 and find out what they are this is truly 218 00:11:17,530 --> 00:11:15,080 a new beginning you can pre-order from 219 00:11:20,260 --> 00:11:17,540 Amazon or Barnes & Noble or you can 220 00:11:26,130 --> 00:11:20,270 pre-order from your local book store but 221 00:11:28,770 --> 00:11:26,140 don't miss this one this is truly new it 222 00:11:30,530 --> 00:11:28,780 a breakthrough whitley strieber is the 223 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:30,540 legendary author of communion 224 00:11:36,030 --> 00:11:33,370 transformation the Grays super storm 225 00:11:38,010 --> 00:11:36,040 with art bell and so many more you can 226 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:38,020 find out more on his author websites 227 00:11:43,650 --> 00:11:41,260 Trevor calm get his great new journey to 228 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:43,660 dog heaven his classics the wolfin 229 00:11:49,770 --> 00:11:46,210 transformation rarities like the wild 230 00:11:51,530 --> 00:11:49,780 and so many more streamer calm and join 231 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:51,540 whitley on his Facebook group 232 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:53,890 supernatural follow him on twitter 233 00:11:59,850 --> 00:11:56,970 whitley strieber author of wonder 234 00:12:02,000 --> 00:11:59,860 unknown country offers you more than any 235 00:12:05,250 --> 00:12:02,010 other website of its kind in the world 236 00:12:08,190 --> 00:12:05,260 join our community subscribe today 237 00:12:10,950 --> 00:12:08,200 you need us and we need you we're 238 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:10,960 talking to timothy Beckley about david 239 00:12:18,450 --> 00:12:14,650 boy and his magical and UFO experiences 240 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:18,460 you can reached him at his youtube 241 00:12:25,410 --> 00:12:22,330 channel mister ufos secret files also go 242 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:25,420 to amazon and search on the name timothy 243 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:28,240 Beckley you will see a number of books a 244 00:12:34,140 --> 00:12:31,510 very large number of books and a lot of 245 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:34,150 them are absolutely fascinating and the 246 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:36,310 ones that aren't absolutely fascinating 247 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:40,270 are incredible so now you were just 248 00:12:46,830 --> 00:12:42,310 getting into david's yes 249 00:12:49,770 --> 00:12:46,840 UFO newsletter when he was a kid that's 250 00:12:51,870 --> 00:12:49,780 right yeah he was a I guess you know his 251 00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:51,880 musical career started pretty early on I 252 00:12:57,450 --> 00:12:55,360 think by 18 he had his first album out 253 00:12:59,130 --> 00:12:57,460 but before that he was very much 254 00:13:01,740 --> 00:12:59,140 interested in UFOs 255 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:01,750 you know I researched his life quite a 256 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:05,050 bit and we did have some mutual friends 257 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:08,770 and I do believe that he emailed me once 258 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:11,230 or twice about the passing of my friend 259 00:13:15,210 --> 00:13:13,210 Wally he was very interested in knowing 260 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:15,220 what had happened to them because they 261 00:13:20,820 --> 00:13:18,130 had worked on a spoken-- record together 262 00:13:23,550 --> 00:13:20,830 with robert fripp and marc bolan of 263 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:23,560 t-rex see now Wally believes that there 264 00:13:30,030 --> 00:13:27,370 was kind of a triad of of music that 265 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:30,040 there were these star children being 266 00:13:36,180 --> 00:13:33,370 born into earthly bodies and a lot of 267 00:13:39,510 --> 00:13:36,190 them were being born as music musicians 268 00:13:42,180 --> 00:13:39,520 the chair to change the social struck 269 00:13:44,670 --> 00:13:42,190 sure of society that would be in 270 00:13:47,220 --> 00:13:44,680 addition to David Bowie mark Bowen who 271 00:13:49,890 --> 00:13:47,230 is very famous with the t-rex the band 272 00:13:53,310 --> 00:13:49,900 also British and of course Jimi Hendrix 273 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:53,320 and all three of these individuals were 274 00:14:00,180 --> 00:13:56,500 very interested in the metaphysical and 275 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:00,190 in the occult but not more than they had 276 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:01,870 no more than David Bowie 277 00:14:05,070 --> 00:14:03,250 well actually Jimi Hendrix was still 278 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:05,080 large extent but that's a separate show 279 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:08,110 in itself ok so David Bowie was an 280 00:14:13,740 --> 00:14:11,770 editor of a UFO newsletter while he was 281 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:13,750 a teenager it's still living in England 282 00:14:19,980 --> 00:14:17,050 of course and he also had a number of 283 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:19,990 UFO sightings in fact he was quoted as 284 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:23,110 saying that he saw UFOs on a number of 285 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:25,930 occasions and that they would come over 286 00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:29,770 almost nightly at the same time now 287 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:31,750 we're not talking about objects for up 288 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:32,890 in the sky when I'm talking about 289 00:14:39,210 --> 00:14:36,370 satellites or or meteorites in fact he 290 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:39,220 described one object that he said came 291 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:42,850 down very low over his head and and the 292 00:14:47,010 --> 00:14:44,980 year the other teenagers that he was 293 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:47,020 with he said it was a very strange 294 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:50,350 machine indeed and he wasn't sure what 295 00:14:56,580 --> 00:14:53,770 whether it was a physical craft or it 296 00:14:59,910 --> 00:14:56,590 was a projection from another dimension 297 00:15:01,850 --> 00:14:59,920 you know in his music of course Ziggy 298 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:01,860 Stardust and later on and some of his 299 00:15:09,150 --> 00:15:05,650 other albums and in his other Tunes he 300 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:09,160 also spoke a lot about a cosmic things 301 00:15:15,420 --> 00:15:12,610 he was a very very cosmic individual and 302 00:15:18,060 --> 00:15:15,430 he seemed to believe in in time travel 303 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:18,070 and in other dimensions and he was 304 00:15:22,020 --> 00:15:20,320 interested in quantum physics and things 305 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:22,030 along that line so this one time this 306 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:26,110 machine came down very low and he was 307 00:15:30,890 --> 00:15:28,450 just enthralled by this I mean some 308 00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:30,900 people just seem to and seem to have 309 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:34,150 fascinated him and and of course now not 310 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:37,210 only just UFOs but other aspects of the 311 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:42,910 occult as well in fact he was living in 312 00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:44,620 California toot I mean I guess he had 313 00:15:50,070 --> 00:15:48,040 just made a you know been successful his 314 00:15:52,410 --> 00:15:50,080 albums had started to sell and the 315 00:15:53,250 --> 00:15:52,420 royalty checks that the record company 316 00:15:57,180 --> 00:15:53,260 seemed to hold 317 00:16:01,470 --> 00:15:57,190 forever started to come in and he had 318 00:16:06,330 --> 00:16:01,480 enough to move into a a very nice house 319 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:06,340 just outside of LA the only problem is 320 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:11,230 is that apparently Satan lived in the 321 00:16:17,190 --> 00:16:14,770 same house in fact Satan inhabited the 322 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:17,200 swimming pool now I know that this is a 323 00:16:22,770 --> 00:16:20,170 very bizarre story but you can find my 324 00:16:24,630 --> 00:16:22,780 we're here to listen to bizarre so now 325 00:16:27,390 --> 00:16:24,640 you have hey I listen to your program 326 00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:27,400 you can get pretty bizarre but it's ho 327 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:28,240 Eddie 328 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:31,210 anyway he he called he wanted to have it 329 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:34,450 listen before we go to this great story 330 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:36,730 we got to take another brief break for 331 00:16:42,450 --> 00:16:38,500 our free dream Landers 332 00:16:47,130 --> 00:16:42,460 we'll be right back go to Amazon search 333 00:16:50,490 --> 00:16:47,140 on Timothy Beckley the e ck lui you'll 334 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:50,500 find two hundred books search that 335 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:53,290 library and you will find some books 336 00:17:00,180 --> 00:16:56,610 that are just speaking straight to you 337 00:17:03,510 --> 00:17:00,190 his YouTube channel is mister UFOs 338 00:17:06,930 --> 00:17:03,520 secret files now let's dive into that 339 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:06,940 swimming pool god Thomas oh my goodness 340 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:09,610 okay so there was something strange 341 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:12,690 about the the swimming pool it bubbled 342 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:16,050 so and also there was apparently a 343 00:17:22,050 --> 00:17:19,209 silhouette or a shadow on the bottom of 344 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:22,060 the pool that looked very demonic now I 345 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:25,930 have to say as a footnote and this is 346 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:28,329 something that David does not deny it's 347 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:30,010 in his book he's written about this so 348 00:17:38,220 --> 00:17:33,490 I'm not talking out of turn he was very 349 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,230 much into the substance cocaine at that 350 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:40,240 time and of course that can make you 351 00:17:45,570 --> 00:17:42,490 hallucinate if you stay up all night for 352 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:45,580 three or four days and and do the what 353 00:17:49,020 --> 00:17:46,870 some people might consider to be 354 00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:49,030 mystical POW powder but you can 355 00:17:53,610 --> 00:17:51,070 certainly overdo it and he admits later 356 00:17:58,620 --> 00:17:53,620 on in life that he did anyway there was 357 00:18:01,470 --> 00:17:58,630 this shadow of some demonic being in the 358 00:18:04,260 --> 00:18:01,480 bottom of the pool so before he would 359 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:04,270 buy the place he insisted upon an 360 00:18:09,370 --> 00:18:06,050 exorcism 361 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:09,380 so what did he do he had cherry vanilla 362 00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:12,650 who was kind of like oh I hate to say 363 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:15,260 stage mother but his associate at the 364 00:18:21,310 --> 00:18:18,440 time she was a very charming beautiful 365 00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:21,320 reared red-haired woman who is also a 366 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:24,320 poet and she was at least partly 367 00:18:28,540 --> 00:18:26,810 responsible for the momentum of his 368 00:18:31,330 --> 00:18:28,550 career in the early days 369 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:31,340 she knew Wally elm lark and she had 370 00:18:39,970 --> 00:18:36,530 welly Wally do a ritual an exorcism and 371 00:18:41,980 --> 00:18:39,980 they performed it at the the pool and 372 00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:41,990 while they were doing it I understand 373 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:44,830 that the pool started bubbling over 374 00:18:49,810 --> 00:18:47,750 anyway this kind of freak that David out 375 00:18:51,730 --> 00:18:49,820 but he did he did move into the the 376 00:18:53,260 --> 00:18:51,740 house although I understand that the 377 00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:53,270 stayin at the bottom of the swimming 378 00:19:03,370 --> 00:18:57,440 pool never completely disappeared he was 379 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:03,380 also worried that witches doing negative 380 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:05,750 work you know black magic and all we're 381 00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:11,510 trying to steal his DNA or his semen in 382 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:17,300 order to create a demon child I mean 383 00:19:20,830 --> 00:19:18,890 that that's a word like that what's 384 00:19:23,050 --> 00:19:20,840 strange about that is that it's like a 385 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:23,060 what we call in the close encounter 386 00:19:29,890 --> 00:19:26,960 phenomenon a cover memory because that 387 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:29,900 happens that happened to me I did have 388 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:34,250 my semen stolen and maybe my DNA as well 389 00:19:41,530 --> 00:19:38,090 I don't know but it does it literally 390 00:19:44,620 --> 00:19:41,540 does happen and it may be it happened to 391 00:19:47,890 --> 00:19:44,630 him mm-hmm anyway he was he was perhaps 392 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:47,900 there due to his paranoia he was even 393 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:49,370 more a little bit worried about this 394 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:51,410 anyway so he did stay in touch with 395 00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,090 Wally l Mark my associate at this occult 396 00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:58,640 Center for quite a period of time in 397 00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:01,520 fact I would interpret Lea you know be a 398 00:20:04,810 --> 00:20:03,590 guest in her house and I answered a 399 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:04,820 couple of the phone a couple of times 400 00:20:10,330 --> 00:20:07,310 and it was David Bowie on the other line 401 00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:10,340 he was a very charming individual I know 402 00:20:18,010 --> 00:20:13,480 did you ever meet him with Lea 403 00:20:19,820 --> 00:20:18,020 no no uh well he was not only charming 404 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:19,830 and charisma 405 00:20:27,770 --> 00:20:24,450 but he was masla massively intelligent I 406 00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:27,780 mean he was read a very well read he was 407 00:20:34,010 --> 00:20:31,500 very well schooled and he he was 408 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:34,020 enthralled by anything he I mean he 409 00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:37,110 seemed to have many many a multitude of 410 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:40,590 of interest one of them being UFOs and 411 00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:42,690 the other being the occult I think later 412 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:47,360 on in life he got into Buddhism on a 413 00:20:54,980 --> 00:20:51,960 pretty big-time basis but he also had a 414 00:20:57,020 --> 00:20:54,990 cherry vanilla who was I like I say his 415 00:20:59,660 --> 00:20:57,030 associate at a time I tells this story 416 00:21:03,170 --> 00:20:59,670 and it was reprinted in a newsletter 417 00:21:06,110 --> 00:21:03,180 that they put out in the early days of 418 00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:06,120 David's career apparently he was in a 419 00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,630 hotel room with a some fans after a 420 00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:11,520 concert in cherry vanilla was there and 421 00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:15,900 they had the radio on and the radio the 422 00:21:19,910 --> 00:21:17,820 announcer the new perhaps on the 423 00:21:22,450 --> 00:21:19,920 newscast I guess made an announcement 424 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:22,460 that a flying saucer had crashed 425 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:26,070 somewhere in the desert now he never 426 00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:28,290 specified where it was you know and they 427 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:32,310 tried to track down the origins of the 428 00:21:37,460 --> 00:21:35,220 story and were never very successful in 429 00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:37,470 doing it anyway the object of crafts in 430 00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,240 the desert and there were at least two 431 00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:41,760 occupants on board and they had both 432 00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:46,380 died because of the crash well he was he 433 00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:50,070 was very upset about this as if he had 434 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:52,500 you know lost a close friend or 435 00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:54,690 something and for a long time they tried 436 00:21:59,960 --> 00:21:58,650 to track down that story to see where it 437 00:22:03,440 --> 00:21:59,970 took place and what the circumstances 438 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:03,450 were around it but never were a never 439 00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:04,710 were able to I mean that they just 440 00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:06,420 everyone some of the station's in the 441 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:07,740 night that they ever played the story 442 00:22:12,860 --> 00:22:10,260 others said that they did but it just 443 00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:12,870 came off the wire service and so it kind 444 00:22:17,780 --> 00:22:15,960 of left a blank you know in his mind and 445 00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:17,790 I guess to the end he never really found 446 00:22:21,860 --> 00:22:19,740 out what he was trying to find out where 447 00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:21,870 this incident took place it was well 448 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:23,580 after the you know the incidents at 449 00:22:30,430 --> 00:22:27,690 Roswell or Kingman or Aztec so this what 450 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:30,440 I had have been in the I I guess maybe 451 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:33,630 1974 or so you know he was still 452 00:22:46,299 --> 00:22:39,690 Ziggy Stardust at that point yeah he he 453 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:50,390 who was at brutal Stein mm-hmm 454 00:23:00,350 --> 00:22:55,730 about uh this seeing a UFO being 455 00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,360 repaired in a field in Missouri hmm 456 00:23:05,049 --> 00:23:02,220 do you remember that anything about this 457 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:05,059 well I you know I do I do remember 458 00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:07,650 reading it but again there wasn't any 459 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:10,500 great detail about what had happened 460 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:14,850 there was also a rumor that he did he 461 00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,530 did have an implant that he believed 462 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:19,200 that he had been invented but yeah but 463 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:20,730 again I don't really have any 464 00:23:25,630 --> 00:23:23,250 information on that and there's nothing 465 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:25,640 that was ever recorded as far as I know 466 00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:29,130 in any of his you know autobiographies 467 00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:31,799 or any books written about him I have 468 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:33,480 tried recently to get in touch with 469 00:23:38,899 --> 00:23:37,020 cherry vanilla who was his associate at 470 00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:38,909 the time and who was interested in all 471 00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:40,590 these subjects to see if she could 472 00:23:45,649 --> 00:23:42,900 provide me with any more information I 473 00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:45,659 did get a response back through Facebook 474 00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:48,150 but it wasn't from her it was some but 475 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:50,190 it was from someone who runs her 476 00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:52,169 Facebook page yeah I've never quite 477 00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:53,960 which I'll never quite understand but 478 00:23:58,820 --> 00:23:56,820 anyway I'm hoping that I can get an 479 00:24:02,529 --> 00:23:58,830 interview with cherry vanilla and she 480 00:24:05,149 --> 00:24:02,539 can clarify some of these early 481 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:05,159 experiences that David had you know 482 00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:09,530 starting in the late sixties there was a 483 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:16,140 hidden occult invocation the that a 484 00:24:23,620 --> 00:24:19,289 calling to the dark side that was 485 00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:23,630 initiated in by Kenneth Anger in his Oh 486 00:24:31,460 --> 00:24:27,780 in oh well you know I know ssin of my 487 00:24:32,779 --> 00:24:31,470 mother I I have a very interesting you 488 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:32,789 know Whitley one of my big things 489 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:35,490 outside of UFOs is synchronicities I 490 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:39,090 have had so many of them that are beyond 491 00:24:43,399 --> 00:24:41,570 coincidence I mean just totally bizarre 492 00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:43,409 synchronicities I've done whole shows 493 00:24:50,820 --> 00:24:47,440 you know about the the subject but I 494 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:50,830 actually met Kenneth Anger I was having 495 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:53,470 a UFO conference promoting a UFO 496 00:24:59,820 --> 00:24:57,490 conference in Palm Springs and it was 497 00:25:01,499 --> 00:24:59,830 the middle of July but I managed to get 498 00:25:03,450 --> 00:25:01,509 all the facilities for free because I 499 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:03,460 told the that you know the owners of the 500 00:25:06,450 --> 00:25:05,350 managers of the hotel and when it coming 501 00:25:08,190 --> 00:25:06,460 in a weekend where you got nothing 502 00:25:09,450 --> 00:25:08,200 planned but I'm not a fan he big and 503 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:09,460 they went along with it I was 504 00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:12,129 celebrating 50 years of the UFO 505 00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:14,830 contactee movement so we had a nice size 506 00:25:21,090 --> 00:25:18,309 a crowd in fact Robert Weiss who did The 507 00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:21,100 Day the Earth Stood Still what Archie 508 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:24,039 what was our keynote speaker Wow and oh 509 00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,490 yeah oh yeah well you know yeah 510 00:25:32,190 --> 00:25:29,919 absolutely well let me tell a story okay 511 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:32,200 so we're setting up shop it's like 512 00:25:37,529 --> 00:25:35,049 Friday afternoon and we're downstairs 513 00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:37,539 we've got all the facilities that we 514 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:40,990 need and the vendors are coming in and 515 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:42,850 starting it you know they bring in their 516 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:45,370 hand trucks full of books and and things 517 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:47,710 like that and I'm setting up my table 518 00:25:51,779 --> 00:25:49,570 their administration table and my 519 00:25:53,999 --> 00:25:51,789 newsletters and magazines and so forth 520 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:54,009 and a few of members of the public art 521 00:25:58,649 --> 00:25:57,250 are starting to a trickle in and they 522 00:26:00,899 --> 00:25:58,659 stopped the table they pick up some 523 00:26:03,659 --> 00:26:00,909 literature and they put it back down 524 00:26:06,749 --> 00:26:03,669 okay so somebody passed by the table 525 00:26:09,149 --> 00:26:06,759 gentleman passed by the table and he had 526 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:09,159 a stack of mail in his arms apparently 527 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:11,110 he had just been to his post office box 528 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,250 and I didn't realize this but he picked 529 00:26:20,669 --> 00:26:16,720 up the magazine put the magazine down 530 00:26:23,009 --> 00:26:20,679 but the his mail remained on the table 531 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:23,019 so after a minute or two I I saw it 532 00:26:28,769 --> 00:26:25,960 there and I picked it up and I noticed 533 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:28,779 that the envelopes were addressed to a 534 00:26:35,159 --> 00:26:30,490 Kenneth Anger 535 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:35,169 and I was okay why had I had seen I had 536 00:26:39,899 --> 00:26:36,490 searched out because they were not 537 00:26:44,659 --> 00:26:39,909 necessarily easy to get some of his 538 00:26:48,019 --> 00:26:44,669 early very underground esoteric 539 00:26:51,389 --> 00:26:48,029 metaphysical totally off-the-wall films 540 00:26:54,090 --> 00:26:51,399 Scorpio Rising I think was the one that 541 00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:54,100 they had actually had a Jimmy Page who 542 00:26:59,490 --> 00:26:56,289 had lived in the house that across in 543 00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:59,500 Loch Ness where Aleister Crowley also 544 00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,240 resided 545 00:27:03,650 --> 00:27:01,440 for a while and some people think that 546 00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:03,660 Crowley may have even conjured up the 547 00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,660 Elat Ness monster monster that's right 548 00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:09,120 okay well you know I could go back to 549 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:10,590 this but I have an interesting 550 00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,330 experience about that because again it's 551 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:15,360 a it's a rock and roll a story so anyway 552 00:27:19,910 --> 00:27:18,090 I said oh boy if this is the real 553 00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:19,920 Kenneth Anger I'd like to shake his hand 554 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:21,750 and say hello so I followed the 555 00:27:26,420 --> 00:27:24,570 gentleman down the hall and I I said 556 00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:26,430 excuse me sir you know you left your 557 00:27:30,380 --> 00:27:29,100 mail on the table but he says oh thank 558 00:27:32,030 --> 00:27:30,390 you you know I just was at my post 559 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:32,040 office box and so forth and so on 560 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:34,230 and so I asked him I said are you a 561 00:27:39,170 --> 00:27:37,290 Kenneth Anger who is the filmmaker or 562 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:39,180 the avantgarde that would be the right 563 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:41,610 word I think right avantgarde filmmaker 564 00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:44,100 and he said yes I am and I was very 565 00:27:48,410 --> 00:27:46,350 excited I said well are you coming to 566 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:48,420 our conference this weekend and he said 567 00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:50,250 well I would really like to but I don't 568 00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:52,140 have the money because that assumes 569 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:55,080 really made any any big dough he did of 570 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:56,490 course have the best selling book 571 00:28:01,220 --> 00:27:58,050 Hollywood Hollywood babble-on 572 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:01,230 but that was his main main main score I 573 00:28:07,670 --> 00:28:04,410 think in life financially anyway I said 574 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:07,680 Kenneth you must come as my guest 575 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:12,090 so I seated Kenneth Anger next to Robert 576 00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:15,690 Weiss during the the evening of 577 00:28:21,620 --> 00:28:19,260 facilities and introduced the two of 578 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:21,630 them together which I thought was one of 579 00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:25,050 the high points of my career because I'd 580 00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:26,340 always been interested in film you know 581 00:28:29,150 --> 00:28:28,020 I've made a few movies other words but 582 00:28:32,780 --> 00:28:29,160 this is so amazing 583 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,790 yes we've got to take another got to 584 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:34,320 take another brief break for our 585 00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:36,810 subscribers free dream Landers thank you 586 00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,430 you've been listening to Greenland be 587 00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:46,240 sure to tune in again next week 588 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:48,670 dreamland is brought to you by unknown 589 00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:51,310 country comm and our family of 590 00:28:57,450 --> 00:28:54,820 subscribers our science 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